Can I get the rundown on what eye primer Busy was using and then what that lightening stick she was using under her eyes and around her nose were?? I need to step up my makeup game from just tinted moisturizer and some lip gloss here lol
Very good round-up of thoughts on the fly. Thank you for sharing. My take-aways (also from memory on the fly):
1. Statistics are the stepchild of math education. The world would be a better place if Math classes dropped Trig and replaced it with teaching kids Statistics. How to read them, how to understand how they are created etc. Statistics are being thrown around daily. When has anyone who isn’t an engineer used Trigonometry last?
2. Yes, it is never just one thing. Social media does not help, but it doesn’t drive society off a cliff on its own. It is the whole societal environment that needs a tune-up. Whether that is with new role models, parents listening better to their kids and asking them more questions, who knows what else all.
3. Yes, “empowered in their ignorance”!!! This quote speaks for itself.
4. Yes, there is no counterpoint to those misogynistic talking heads. But before that, there is no-one willing to pay to have a positive, conciliatory voice out there. The divisive voices put in the work because they get paid, and they get money because they generate money.
5. The Tiger comment was unfortunate, because Tiger doesn’t have to ...just play golf. He can speak his mind like anyone, or be not funny when trying to make a joke. He is human. But he should be more aware of his existence in society, and the impact he has. And he certainly has enough life experience by now to know that this particular “joke” would backfire. And therefore, yes, he made himself part of the problem.
6. Yes, nobody should have to explain their existence anymore in today’s society (be it as an LGBTQ person, ethnic person of whichever origin, autistic person, etc. etc. ). No single characteristic defines anyone.
Loved this mini ep ❤️ I have a request. Could busy ever make playlists of the music she listens to on Spotify or another app? I love all the songs in her instagrams but want them in bulk please and thanks
I know I can use allll the good music I can soak up these days amidst all this shit. I have two cis-female kids, a teen and a tween. Just today my 6th grader said there was a fight between two boys at school because one was telling the other to smack a girl’s ass and when she told the one to stop, the other forced him to pin her down. Literally zero kids are ok. But we gotta keep relentlessly building a world where they FINALLY ALL CAN BE. We just have to.
I have a text group with a bunch of girl friends. One of the girls sent an article about the tampon thing and said “it’s insane people are upset about this”. I got so angry. Me and another friend respectfully explained why it was fucked up, but she still said “I thought it was just a joke”, my reply was “explain why it’s funny”...she ended up apologizing for bringing it up. My hope was she would learn something but that wasn’t the case. She has a young son and daughter. The whole thing really upset me.
Not a parent, but think about this often working in entertainment marketing & trying to justify what ends up in our "glorified" media.... Loved this little convo, thanks for sharing (also The Rock comment killed me hahaha)
I am so happy (though disturbing and real topic) that you did this. These are thoughts that I have been having a lot of lately and my kids are 9 (girl/boy twins(duh)). Navigating around the misogyny that will be presented to them is very important to try and course correction. Luckily so far my son is a Mr. Beast fan.
As a piece, the realness which it was art. First of all, this shit needs to be addressed. Second, how do we get the two of you to talk(work with, introduced to... I don’t know)with tween, teenagers and their parents?
What are some podcasts that are directed to 9 and up around this topic. You probably posed that question. I had my sleepy time high happening so I I stopped when after watching Busy and her makeup. But I really felt the real time working it out was brilliant to share.
Thank you for this! My eldest (11yo) daughter has been having issues with boys in her class talking about / supporting Andrew Tate specifically to her as she is outspoken against his views. I had already spoken to her about AT and his harmful rhetoric so she felt able to challenge the boys initially but they then started targeting her with pretty sexist and misogynistic stuff. It was really getting her down and to make matters worse they then started with homophobic stuff because she was reading her Heartstopper books in class. She raised it with her teacher and I also emailed the school and it seems like the boys in question have had a talking to about it which I was pleasantly surprised by. Now some of the boys have started quietly asking my daughter why other boys are getting in trouble for talking about AT! So some of them are thinking twice and seeking out a girls perspective about him now which gives me hope. It is terrifying though that so may boys at such a young age are forming ideas based on his shit - these are the kind of kids my soon to be teeenage daughter might end up dating in future years 😳 she's very tuned in to this stuff but she's also only 11, it's a lot to deal with. And not to cast sweeping aspersions but I blame the parents in some cases - either they don't know (or find out) what their kids are watching or worse, the kids aren't getting the views corrected at home cos their dads / parents agree with them 😒 obviously that's not always true but in some cases it definitely is.
My suggestion for a counter to Andrew Tate is Hasan Piker. He’s apparently huge on Twitch, which is a platform I know nothing about but the kids sure love it. From what I’ve read about him, he’s putting in the work to provide kids with an alternative to the Andrew Tate wormhole.
I don’t know, I feel like videos from 2017 where he’s kinda gross about Tomi Lahren shouldn’t completely disqualify him. She’s a horrific human and people are capable of evolving. He just raised a ton of money for the earthquake victims in Turkey and Syria. He raised over 100K to split between Indigenous Women Rising, the National Abortion Federation, The Brigid Alliance and Women’s Reproductive Rights Assistance Project. You should have him on the pod to talk, I would love to listen to that discussion.
It's awesome that he raised that money! Very cool. But that's always the question, right? What *does* disqualify someone in terms of being who we'd want to listen to or be led by? I know there is plenty to critique Tomi Lahren on without stooping to her looks, but I don't know if he's ever apologized or otherwise evolved. Like I said, I don't know much about him. I do know that it makes me kinda feel like, well, he may have tipped his hand a little bit about how he really feels about women in general? But that's a problem we see again and again with men who are supposed to be our allies. And, to some degree, we have to recognize that they too were raised in a patriarchy and picked up some bad habits. But also, these are habits that all guys who want to be seen as good guys should be breaking themselves of by now. Not just talking about this one specific dude. All of them should know better and be doing better by now. But I worry because lots of them aren't.
I think it’s important to allow people to be able to make mistakes and learn from them. When I was 25 I certainly knew a lot less than I do now. From my brief googling, I see a guy who’s trying his best to provide another path for disaffected kids who might otherwise be prime targets for monsters like Tate.
I don't disagree with that at all. I think lots of things can be true, and like I said, I don't even really know this guy, I just know what I read and that it bummed someone out enough to write it and it bummed me out to read it. On a similar level to Tiger Woods handing a rival a tampon. Like, it's not the end of the world, but it's a fucking bummer to still be seeing. I'm happy to cheer him on for all the good he is currently doing and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's learned misogyny of any kind at any time is uncool. I truly hope that's the case, because we really need good guys on our side!
Thank you so much for talking about hard things. The connection made between rampant misogyny and depression among teenage girls, is an enlightened one. I think we always want to make technology the bogeyman and while it does play a role, I think it’s a cop out for not dealing with systemic misogyny. When teenage girls can clearly see, in so many ways including roe v Wade, that they don’t really have autonomy and in a lot of ways they are at the mercy of a man’s whim, how can they not feel desperately powerless? Thank you for reminding us all about the real conversations we should be having in our own homes. Love y’all so much!!💜💜
So I live in England with 14 year old twin boys. Andrew Tate appeared on my radar 3 months ago at a staff meeting in the school I work in. Boys were starting to make comments to the girls quoting Andrew Tate. His name popped up again after he was arrested as at another school boys were passing around Free Andrew Tate signs.
To my surprise at the dinner table I was talking about this incident when my boys mentioned they’d watched him a few times! When I discussed how unacceptable his views were at what it meant for their sister and me it was clear they had no idea the effect this man had or how awful what he was saying was and the impact of his vitriol. Fortunately we were able to have a good discussion but it scares me how these immature boys are capable of falling down this rabbit hole of misogynistic male role models.
Oh, wow. I am so glad you had that talk. I honestly think it's not that different than sneakers or video games. Kids hear other kids talking about something & they want to be in the conversation too, so they check whatever it is out. Andrew Tate offers a shared language and a kind of code for living that I'm sure gives boys a sense of belonging? I really think if kids felt like they belonged anywhere in this world more, we'd be in better shape. (And of course, your boys belong to your beautiful family. But you know I mean something independent of family, because they're at the age where forming their own identity is so important and this guy is stepping in and taking a hand in shaping them en masse. It's scary!)
Oh this hits hard. I have a 12 year old daughter and she is suffering socially - desperately frustrated by the boys in her class and their disruptive rude behavior. She is hurt and confused by how consistently insensitive they are - to both fellow students and the faculty. It is impacting her academically and emotionally (and it is breaking my heart and making me wonder what is happening to these boys??).
I don't have kids but I am a teacher. I truly believe that teaching my students how to be humans is just as important as teaching them academics. Parent involvement definitely helps. My students are young and some of them are really left to their own devices in the content they consume. They are looking for guidance and want to know things.
Can I get the rundown on what eye primer Busy was using and then what that lightening stick she was using under her eyes and around her nose were?? I need to step up my makeup game from just tinted moisturizer and some lip gloss here lol
Oh, gosh, sorry I missed this comment, Lauren. I will try to find out next time we talk, LOL!
Like Doritos said, “crunch all you want, iwe’ll make more”
This just reinforced why I think so highly of both of you and all you have to offer us and the world. Thank you for sharing this with us!
Very good round-up of thoughts on the fly. Thank you for sharing. My take-aways (also from memory on the fly):
1. Statistics are the stepchild of math education. The world would be a better place if Math classes dropped Trig and replaced it with teaching kids Statistics. How to read them, how to understand how they are created etc. Statistics are being thrown around daily. When has anyone who isn’t an engineer used Trigonometry last?
2. Yes, it is never just one thing. Social media does not help, but it doesn’t drive society off a cliff on its own. It is the whole societal environment that needs a tune-up. Whether that is with new role models, parents listening better to their kids and asking them more questions, who knows what else all.
3. Yes, “empowered in their ignorance”!!! This quote speaks for itself.
4. Yes, there is no counterpoint to those misogynistic talking heads. But before that, there is no-one willing to pay to have a positive, conciliatory voice out there. The divisive voices put in the work because they get paid, and they get money because they generate money.
5. The Tiger comment was unfortunate, because Tiger doesn’t have to ...just play golf. He can speak his mind like anyone, or be not funny when trying to make a joke. He is human. But he should be more aware of his existence in society, and the impact he has. And he certainly has enough life experience by now to know that this particular “joke” would backfire. And therefore, yes, he made himself part of the problem.
6. Yes, nobody should have to explain their existence anymore in today’s society (be it as an LGBTQ person, ethnic person of whichever origin, autistic person, etc. etc. ). No single characteristic defines anyone.
Once again: thank you Caissie and Busy.
Where’s a hip Mr. Rogers when you need him??
Loved this mini ep ❤️ I have a request. Could busy ever make playlists of the music she listens to on Spotify or another app? I love all the songs in her instagrams but want them in bulk please and thanks
I think this playlist started out as that: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/14OtZJg1WsTLapGuiekmh6?si=cnt1P_0mQN2PCX37ZYqmtg I’ve found so much new-to-me music here! Thanks Busy and Caissie! Maybe we can get a few new adds?
I know I can use allll the good music I can soak up these days amidst all this shit. I have two cis-female kids, a teen and a tween. Just today my 6th grader said there was a fight between two boys at school because one was telling the other to smack a girl’s ass and when she told the one to stop, the other forced him to pin her down. Literally zero kids are ok. But we gotta keep relentlessly building a world where they FINALLY ALL CAN BE. We just have to.
Ugh! The Tiger Woods thing.
I have a text group with a bunch of girl friends. One of the girls sent an article about the tampon thing and said “it’s insane people are upset about this”. I got so angry. Me and another friend respectfully explained why it was fucked up, but she still said “I thought it was just a joke”, my reply was “explain why it’s funny”...she ended up apologizing for bringing it up. My hope was she would learn something but that wasn’t the case. She has a young son and daughter. The whole thing really upset me.
Not a parent, but think about this often working in entertainment marketing & trying to justify what ends up in our "glorified" media.... Loved this little convo, thanks for sharing (also The Rock comment killed me hahaha)
I am so happy (though disturbing and real topic) that you did this. These are thoughts that I have been having a lot of lately and my kids are 9 (girl/boy twins(duh)). Navigating around the misogyny that will be presented to them is very important to try and course correction. Luckily so far my son is a Mr. Beast fan.
As a piece, the realness which it was art. First of all, this shit needs to be addressed. Second, how do we get the two of you to talk(work with, introduced to... I don’t know)with tween, teenagers and their parents?
What are some podcasts that are directed to 9 and up around this topic. You probably posed that question. I had my sleepy time high happening so I I stopped when after watching Busy and her makeup. But I really felt the real time working it out was brilliant to share.
Thank you.
Thank you for this! My eldest (11yo) daughter has been having issues with boys in her class talking about / supporting Andrew Tate specifically to her as she is outspoken against his views. I had already spoken to her about AT and his harmful rhetoric so she felt able to challenge the boys initially but they then started targeting her with pretty sexist and misogynistic stuff. It was really getting her down and to make matters worse they then started with homophobic stuff because she was reading her Heartstopper books in class. She raised it with her teacher and I also emailed the school and it seems like the boys in question have had a talking to about it which I was pleasantly surprised by. Now some of the boys have started quietly asking my daughter why other boys are getting in trouble for talking about AT! So some of them are thinking twice and seeking out a girls perspective about him now which gives me hope. It is terrifying though that so may boys at such a young age are forming ideas based on his shit - these are the kind of kids my soon to be teeenage daughter might end up dating in future years 😳 she's very tuned in to this stuff but she's also only 11, it's a lot to deal with. And not to cast sweeping aspersions but I blame the parents in some cases - either they don't know (or find out) what their kids are watching or worse, the kids aren't getting the views corrected at home cos their dads / parents agree with them 😒 obviously that's not always true but in some cases it definitely is.
Anyway, thanks for discuss it
My suggestion for a counter to Andrew Tate is Hasan Piker. He’s apparently huge on Twitch, which is a platform I know nothing about but the kids sure love it. From what I’ve read about him, he’s putting in the work to provide kids with an alternative to the Andrew Tate wormhole.
I'm not super familiar with him but I had remembered reading about him in a thing a friend had posted a while back. Hopefully he's evolving past this kind of stuff? But, I hate the idea that women are still being marginalized by people they think are allies? Ugh! https://spartanshield.org/32922/opinion/sexism-in-leftist-spaces-denies-women-a-seat-at-the-table/
I don’t know, I feel like videos from 2017 where he’s kinda gross about Tomi Lahren shouldn’t completely disqualify him. She’s a horrific human and people are capable of evolving. He just raised a ton of money for the earthquake victims in Turkey and Syria. He raised over 100K to split between Indigenous Women Rising, the National Abortion Federation, The Brigid Alliance and Women’s Reproductive Rights Assistance Project. You should have him on the pod to talk, I would love to listen to that discussion.
It's awesome that he raised that money! Very cool. But that's always the question, right? What *does* disqualify someone in terms of being who we'd want to listen to or be led by? I know there is plenty to critique Tomi Lahren on without stooping to her looks, but I don't know if he's ever apologized or otherwise evolved. Like I said, I don't know much about him. I do know that it makes me kinda feel like, well, he may have tipped his hand a little bit about how he really feels about women in general? But that's a problem we see again and again with men who are supposed to be our allies. And, to some degree, we have to recognize that they too were raised in a patriarchy and picked up some bad habits. But also, these are habits that all guys who want to be seen as good guys should be breaking themselves of by now. Not just talking about this one specific dude. All of them should know better and be doing better by now. But I worry because lots of them aren't.
I think it’s important to allow people to be able to make mistakes and learn from them. When I was 25 I certainly knew a lot less than I do now. From my brief googling, I see a guy who’s trying his best to provide another path for disaffected kids who might otherwise be prime targets for monsters like Tate.
I don't disagree with that at all. I think lots of things can be true, and like I said, I don't even really know this guy, I just know what I read and that it bummed someone out enough to write it and it bummed me out to read it. On a similar level to Tiger Woods handing a rival a tampon. Like, it's not the end of the world, but it's a fucking bummer to still be seeing. I'm happy to cheer him on for all the good he is currently doing and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's learned misogyny of any kind at any time is uncool. I truly hope that's the case, because we really need good guys on our side!
Isn’t he from the Young Turks? That’s a good sign.
Thank you so much for talking about hard things. The connection made between rampant misogyny and depression among teenage girls, is an enlightened one. I think we always want to make technology the bogeyman and while it does play a role, I think it’s a cop out for not dealing with systemic misogyny. When teenage girls can clearly see, in so many ways including roe v Wade, that they don’t really have autonomy and in a lot of ways they are at the mercy of a man’s whim, how can they not feel desperately powerless? Thank you for reminding us all about the real conversations we should be having in our own homes. Love y’all so much!!💜💜
So I live in England with 14 year old twin boys. Andrew Tate appeared on my radar 3 months ago at a staff meeting in the school I work in. Boys were starting to make comments to the girls quoting Andrew Tate. His name popped up again after he was arrested as at another school boys were passing around Free Andrew Tate signs.
To my surprise at the dinner table I was talking about this incident when my boys mentioned they’d watched him a few times! When I discussed how unacceptable his views were at what it meant for their sister and me it was clear they had no idea the effect this man had or how awful what he was saying was and the impact of his vitriol. Fortunately we were able to have a good discussion but it scares me how these immature boys are capable of falling down this rabbit hole of misogynistic male role models.
Oh, wow. I am so glad you had that talk. I honestly think it's not that different than sneakers or video games. Kids hear other kids talking about something & they want to be in the conversation too, so they check whatever it is out. Andrew Tate offers a shared language and a kind of code for living that I'm sure gives boys a sense of belonging? I really think if kids felt like they belonged anywhere in this world more, we'd be in better shape. (And of course, your boys belong to your beautiful family. But you know I mean something independent of family, because they're at the age where forming their own identity is so important and this guy is stepping in and taking a hand in shaping them en masse. It's scary!)
Oh this hits hard. I have a 12 year old daughter and she is suffering socially - desperately frustrated by the boys in her class and their disruptive rude behavior. She is hurt and confused by how consistently insensitive they are - to both fellow students and the faculty. It is impacting her academically and emotionally (and it is breaking my heart and making me wonder what is happening to these boys??).
Thank you for taking on this heavy and super important issue - you’ve given me lots to think about in regards to raising my daughter (11) & son (9)
"Empowered in their ignorance." This is it.
I don't have kids but I am a teacher. I truly believe that teaching my students how to be humans is just as important as teaching them academics. Parent involvement definitely helps. My students are young and some of them are really left to their own devices in the content they consume. They are looking for guidance and want to know things.