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Jen S's avatar

What a beautiful episode. I wept during most of the conversation with Rabbi Sharon (can’t wait to get her book) & again at the end with Busy & Caissie reflecting on 2023. I wish that the podcast community had a better way to say Amen & support Busy & Caissie while they mourned.

Our culture doesn’t talk about death & living with grief enough. I hate that it might not have been the right thing for Busy & Caissie to continue podcasting while they were grieving, but it is a gift to your listeners to normalize not being okay & living with/through grief.

Rituals like pouring one out or breaking a glass at a celebration are such a great reminder that it’s okay to experience BOTH joy and sadness together.

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Corinne's avatar

I loved this ep, including the interview - but my very favorite part was the skiing analogy at the end. So touching 💚

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Talli Buchanan's avatar

Caissie, thank you so much for this photo/caption idea! I’ve been trying to organize my storage space in my garage, but I’ve been putting it off because I couldn’t figure out how to best inventory it. I’m using your idea.

Also, I just finished watching the new Netflix show, School Spirits (minor spoilers ahead!) and there was a moment where one of the ghosts who died playing football at Homecoming and his mom still goes to the game every year and saves him an empty seat and he (as a ghost) sits down next to her and I unexpectedly gasp-sobbed (similar to pouring one out, but in reverse). It was so heartbreaking and beautiful.

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Nicole McDermott's avatar

Had to come back and echo Caissie’s comment about Busy and Marc. It’s so impressive and heartwarming to see. 💛 My parents also divorced when I was little and, like Caissie, I feel like my life would be so different if my parents were more like Busy and Marc.

Additionally, also affirming the high yield savings account!! I switched my savings account last year and it brings great joy (in addition to more cash😂)!

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Jen S's avatar

Same! My parents have been divorced for nearly 25 years & still cannot enjoy a meal with their grandkids at the same time (no history of abuse or anything). I truly do not understand

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Nicole McDermott's avatar

Def support a third appearance by Rabbi Sharon! Quality and vulnerable conversation. Much appreciated. 💛

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Ayelet Naaman's avatar

Hi, I loved the episode, and I love listening to you and have been for a long time, so first, I want to thank you for that. I loved Rabbi Sharon's conversation with you. It was clever and insightful and touched me deeply. Rabbi Sharon explained the Amen effect, which made me want to try to share my thoughts and feelings. This community is made of such good and intelligent people, and I feel comfortable enough to do it :)

I am an Israeli. Let me tell you that 2023 was one crappy year! It started with our most horrible government ever being formed and immediately starting an attack on our democracy by trying to effectively cancel checks and balances and change the judiciary so that it is entirely under political control. More than 60% of Israelis opposed that, and we started demonstrating. Every Saturday night, hundreds of thousands hit the streets for nine months! In the rain or summer heat, we marched from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and endured police brutality in defense of our beloved country.

But then, on Saturday, October 7th, all that suddenly seemed like a children's game. At 6:30 am, I woke up suddenly from the sound of a missile alarm. It took me a few seconds to understand what was going on as there was no indication whatsoever of any tension or unrest in Gaza (missiles have been shot from Gaza. For years now). I jumped out of bed, woke my two boys up (ages 8 and 4) and went into our bomb shelter, luckily for me I have one in my appartment. At first, I thought it might be a false alarm or a flook rouge missile (it happened before), but a text to my parents told me they were in the shelter as well. So I opened the news, and the world went dark.

I live in the center of Israel, just northeast of Tel Aviv. I am lucky. Minute by minute, we started realizing the carnage going on in the south, in the Kibbutzim and cities close to the Gaza border (yes. Border. Israel does not control the Gaza strip), and at the sight of the Nova rave in that same area. Do I need to repeat what happened? I think by now, everybody knows, right? Murder, torture, burning alive, shooting, RPGs, Grenades, rape, you name it. As the days went on and information became more clear, we also learned of hostages taken into Gaza - men, women, children, grandparents. I don't know how to describe the shock, the agonizing grief, the fear. And it didn't even happen to me. But it happened to my people, in my country, by our neighbors whom I, many of those affected, and many others in the country, hoped to have peace with in the future.

For the first month or so, I couldn't stop watching, reading, and hearing the news. I couldn't listen to music or my favorite podcasts. I tried not to get angry with my kids because I felt just so lucky they were alive. And every once in a while, I ran to the shelter when the alarm went off. My 4-year-old asks questions about who turns the alarm on and where the soldiers are and tells me he thinks he hears the "boom" of interception.

And the world's reaction. The only way I can think of to explain it is to ask you to go back in your mind to 9/11 (I happened to be in the US at the time). Think about how you would feel if, mere hours after it happened, people would claim that it is resistance, that you deserve it, and that it happened in a context. And then people will tell you it didn't really happen. And then they will tell you your own army perpetrated it. The gaslighting, the disregard for our humanity, and the alarming outburst of antisemitism that followed were both frightening and disappointing.

And the war. The devastating war that destroys the lives of so many people. I hate it! But at the same time, I know we cannot allow Hamas to keep flourishing right next door to us. And I still hate it, I hate seeing the devastation in Gaza, the amount of destruction, to think of the poor people there who are now homeless and starving and don't even have their own government to take care of them, because Hamas steals the aid that comes in. How horrible it must be to be afraid of an enemy army but also of your own government.

I feel like I am not allowed to mourn, to be scared, to wish for a better future without apologizing, and first making sure that everyone knows I also care about the Palestinians and that I want a two-state solution and peace. I can't just talk about *my* sadness, about how I have cried every morning and every night for three months now. How I ache for the 130 people still held hostage by Hamas going through god knows what.

And our government, my god they are ssssoooo horrible, I can't with them. Every day brings a new dumb racist declaration by some stupid member of the parliament or a minister who is a sham and a shame. Imagine going through your worst nightmare as a country with a prime minister whom you don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth, a government that doesn't deserve the amazing people of this country. We are back on the streets demonstrating, and I hope we can kick them out for once and for all.

I know this is long, but if you read all this, just one last thing - please, please, please speak up against antisemitism. No matter what your thoughts are about Israel, a Jewish person from New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, or wherever has nothing to do with it and does not deserve to be singled out or feel unsafe. The Jews are not different from any other persecuted minority, which liberals rightly defend. Please be more sensitive to what you say and how you say it. Please understand that when you call for an immediate ceasefire but don't demand in the same breath that the hostages be set free (at the very least) or anything else from the other side, to us, it sounds like - we don't care if Hamas kills you, just stop killing them.

I will end this long rant by wishing everyone a good year. Let's keep trying to do good in this world, and I hope that everyone, everywhere, can live with peace, happiness, and dignity.

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Sarah G's avatar

A great episode to kick off the year! I too wore sparkles on New Year’s to start the year on a high note. I’ve been coming out of a funk and I’m trying to change my mindset. This is our year ladies!

And Caissie, thanks for the reminder about the high yield savings account. I just setup my account with one of the links from your Adulting post.

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Elissa F's avatar

Hi! I loved the episode as usual, and Busy, you are absolutely correct that this podcast is beneficial for people. I know it is for me, and it's absolutely because of the two of you. I've had a pretty terrible year, and hearing you two talk about and puzzle through a lot of things I'm also going through is so helpful and therapeutic, like listening to my wisest friends. I thank you both so much. ♥️

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Alexia Hemingway's avatar

Hi really got so much from Rabbi Sharon’s conversation. Can’t wait to read her book. Hoping Caissie and Busy have a happy and healthy New Year!

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Diane  Macias's avatar

The conversation with Rabbi Sharon was so healing!! Acknowledging loss while not being over taken with grief! I needed that to be spoken to me.

In regards to the last episode, in May of 2020 my entire 5 person family had lice! We tried self treating but we weren’t very good at it. We ended up at “Lice Upon a Time” and they were able to end the misery!! Also, having someone scratch my itchy scalp for me was magic.

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Jill's avatar

Happy New Year!

I enjoyed this so much. Deeply emotional and honest. I teared up multiple times!

I couldn’t imagine not having this podcast in my life, I appreciate what you both give of yourselves, you both mean a lot to me ♥️

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Michelle Camac's avatar

This was such a meaningful discussion. I definitely teared up a few times. I preordered the book and I can’t wait to read it and share it with others. ❤️ Happy New Year!

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Lauren's avatar

Great episode! I would be so sad if the podcast ended though! Every time I hear Busy mention it, my heart drops.

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Alexia Hemingway's avatar

I’m with you and maybe it’s just Busy sorting her thoughts out loud. Caissie never says she wants to end it!

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Jill's avatar

Same!! I’d feel like I lost a couple friends!

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